what you're pointing to here is one of the classic dilemmas in foreign policy. we don't get to choose our partners and we end up having to do business with lots of odeus regimes we may not like because they have things that we need. and so that involves tradeoffs between -- and those tradeoffs involve clashes between our interests, what we need, what we need to keep the world safe, and our values, things like human rights, democracy, caring about corruption, et cetera. and those tradeoffs are hard to make. sometimes we have to choose one rather than the other. >> specifically on afghanistan, it looks like what we're paying for is control and some influence in a part of the world where we need more of it. $13 billion a year is a lot of coin. >> it ills but this is -- part of the story with afghanistan, you break it, you own it. we invaded and tried too build up. we're spending a lot of money now trying to build up an afghan was so when we leave we don't there before we came in. and so it opportunity become a base for al qaeda or other international terrorist. >>